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The Triune Godhead [Mar. 3rd, 2006|12:53 am]
Are Mormons Christians?
I was going to do a post on the Trinity, but then diabetes happened and I became preoccupied with that. I refuse to let the enemy get in the way of my life with illness and self-pity. I won’t let my mission be deterred. My mission is to spread the truth about Jesus Christ, my Lord, my Savior and my Life.

I knew I had to do this post when I read what my friend said recently in their essay, “We contrast that with the Jesus of the rest of the Christian world, who is considered fully God and fully human at the same time. He is one with God the Father. Ultimately they are the same entity, and we view them in different aspects and in different roles in a way that I'm not sure anybody really understands.” (The whole essay can be found here: http://community.livejournal.com/questioning_lds/32613.html)

I agree with my friend. As humans… the created… I don’t think we can fully grasp the Trinity with our finite minds. But if we suspend our limitations and see God, the Creator, as unlimited, then we can grasp the idea of the Trinity. Another way to say Trinity is “Triune Godhead.” That is that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are equal to God, singular. I will support this with Biblical scripture.

Colossians 2:9 (with some context) 8 See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.
9For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,
10and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority…

Isaiah 43:10-11 10"You are My witnesses," declares the LORD,
"And My servant whom I have chosen,
So that you may know and believe Me
And understand that I am He
Before Me there was no God formed,
And there will be none after Me.
11"I, even I, am the LORD,
And there is no savior besides Me.

The Lord tells the Israelites that they are His witnesses and that He is the only God and the only savior. There is only one savior and He is Christ. Jesus is God. I will support this with John 1:1-14, under the cut.

Also, I’ve had polytheistic people try to convince me that this scripture is talking about “idols” and not actual Gods. To them I would say that “idols” would include men. NO god will be formed … including man.

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!

John 1 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men.

5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
6 There came a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 He came as a witness, to testify about the Light, so that all might believe through him.
8 He was not the Light, but he came to testify about the Light.
9 There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.
11 He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him.
12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Jesus said Himself that He is God.

John 8 56 "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad."
57 So the Jews said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?"
58 Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am."
59 Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him, but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple.

One singular Name…One Name; One God.

Matthew 28: 16 But the eleven disciples proceeded to Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had designated.
17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some were doubtful.
18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."

Hebrews 1: 1God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,
2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
3 And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high…

Also see:
John 14:9
Genesis 1:26-27
Isaiah 48:12-16

This is not an exhaustive list of scriptures that support the Godhead, but I believe that they show a well-rounded contextual wholeness and agreement of the Bible to the issue of the Godhead.

Even so, if you have any to add, do so in comments. I’d be interested to see them.

Thoughts and comments welcome.

x-posted to h1s_songb1rd

[User Picture]From: legacy
2006-03-03 04:46 pm (UTC)
As a believer in the complete oneness of God (not a monarch modalist, mind you), I think it's entirely possible to comprehend these scriptures even without supposing that it points to a Trinity. Given, if your initial idea is that there is a Triune God, then you can point out scriptures that would seem to support the idea. But, one can also accept complete monotheism and the divinity of Christ without coming to the conclusion of a Triune Godhead.

With that said, I applaud your recognition of the deity of Christ and keeping it in a monotheistic context.
    "Ultimately they are the same entity, and we view them in different aspects and in different roles in a way that I'm not sure anybody really understands."

This quote by your friend would actually be attacked by some Trinitarian proponents as sounding too modalistic. The language of "different aspects" and "different roles" have long been condemned by Trinitarians who demand the use of "eternally distinct, different persons."

I don't even know where I'm going with this now... Nice post.
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From: h1s_songb1rd
2006-03-03 09:32 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure where you were going with this, either. Hehe. But thanks!
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